Monday, December 12, 2011

Is the concept of Free Will nothing more than a clever illusion made to reinforce an objective idea of Justice?

Determinism: "is the general philosophical thesis that states that for everything that happens there are conditions such that, given them, nothing else could happen". If Causal Determinism (law of cause and effect) is to remain true, Free Will could not possibly exist. There is an obvious dichotomy between these two concepts. If Determinism is true, all of our actions are predicted, or reinforced by other actions or reasoning (yet empirically conditioned nonetheless), and we are not free; and if Determinism is false, our actions are purely random and still we do not seem free. If Determinism is to be indubitably true, or even be it false for whatever matter, does this mean that justice, law, morality, ethics, objective obligations do not exist? Be it conditioned by circumstance, however complex and uncomprehendable, or randomness, do either suite as valid criterions for justice? even if justice is to be defined as retribution? should there even be an objectified form of justice?|||When you choose to believe in determinism you are exercising your "free will" to think as you like. That's what free will is: the freedom of your thoughts. And your thoughts are what control your life. Your beliefs are not predetermined unless you allow them to be. That's your free will. Your life is not predetermined. You determine the outcome. You can choose to believe something different just as you've chosen your current beliefs. If determinism does not exist, that doesn't mean everything is random and chaotic. It just means that you have control and must take responsibility. That's sometimes a hard philosophical pill to swallow. Cause and effect only means that everything you do will elicit a certain response. The energy you project is the energy you will receive back in kind. But you always have the free will to change that energy.





http://www.soulsastray.com/|||This is curios, how and why did humans evolve the perception of freewill?



Assuming all is set in space in time, then what possible advantage could come from the perception of conscious will and the ability to chose, if the reality is that no such advantage exists?



You should look into quantum mechanics.



There is no past and future.

There are only frames of reference within the context of the constants of nature.



These constants operate probabilistically at a foundational level, and the possibility to deliberately act of individual conscious volition can and does affect the probabilistic distribution of a quantum state.

This is an empirical fact (see measurement problem).



If you are moral nihilist, that is fine, but science does not conclusively demonstrate the validity of your position concerning the subject of conscious will.

Indeed it indicates quite the contrary.|||freewill has a place. if there was no freewill, we would have been merely puppets. The problem is, people do not want to excercise it because of their ego, vanity, anger, lust and they blame the destiny. There are innumerable examples wherein people have exercised their freewill.


Saint lin was oil tycoon before joining paramahans yogananda in USA.


Mahatma gandhi gave up his lawyers career to join india independence movement.


Samrat chandragupta , a mighty king gave up his vast kingdom in search of truth and spent several years of his life in the caves of southern india. There are many examples where people have acted on freewill. u cannot say, they were destined.


Many people commit sucides even today only by using their freewill. we cannot say that they are destined to die that way.Power of discrimination %26amp; freewill is available to all humanbeings.


Many saints proved their forecasts wrong by not marrying. they could challenge the astrologers who had predicted that they would marry for sure.


Still there are some people who want to get out of this mad world by giving up their lucrative career


thereby leading a simple, uncomplicated ,peaceful life.


Now when a person wants to excercise such a freewill? only when he wants to be away from this hypocritical %26amp; calculating world which only reveres success and condems or punishes failures.


However those whose all the needs are more than filled, still stick to their positions, jobs because of the wonky ideas of status, recognition, merit, position and then blame their destinies.


They complicate their life by lavish spendings,( their family members also develop the same nasty habits) so they always remain under debts. they become greedy and nothing satisfies them. they always want more %26amp; more and they do not come out of the cobwebs designed by them till their deaths.|||Even those scientists and writers like Daniel Dennett who do not believe in free will, believe in "objective" justice; but their "objectivity" comes from a different perspective:



"For the law, neuroscience changes nothing and everything. In it they argue that dropping the fiction of libertarian free will should prompt us to abandon retributive punishment, since after all it’s belief in such free will - that the offender could have done otherwise at the time of the crime - that ordinarily underwrites the claim he deserves retribution. As they put it: “Free will as we ordinarily understand it is an illusion generated by our cognitive architecture. Retributivist notions of criminal responsibility ultimately depend on this illusion, and, if we are lucky, they will give way to consequentialist ones, thus radically transforming our approach to criminal justice.” On their view, we should only punish if it has good consequences, not because criminals deserve it."

http://www.naturalism.org/revolution.htm



If it is NOT true that "the offender could have done otherwise at the time of the crime", then that means I could NOT choose not to pull the trigger, I could NOT choose not to ignore the stop sign; I could NOT choose not to spit on your food when I made it.



Really? You think people cannot choose to do otherwise?



Free will is said by people like Dennett and by the owner of that website not to be "free" because it requires that the will be "contra-causal", which means "libertarian"--free of causes. http://www.centerfornaturalism.org/faqs.… Bull!



Free will is simply and only "your mind’s freedom to think or not, the only will you have, your only freedom, the choice that controls all the choices you make and determines your life and your character." Rand http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/free_w…

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