Monday, December 12, 2011

What, do you think, is the causal connection between cinema violence and...?

... real violence, speaking statistically, of course. If there is a connection. Feminists have long decried sexual violence against women in film (set aside that they do not object to such violence against men - that is a seperate topic) because, they claim, it encourages sexual violence against women. I suspect that they are right*, again in the statistical sense. But I do not know that. Nor do I know the sociological literature on this subject. So what effect, do you think, truly crazy-violent films like the "Saw" series or the "Hostel" series have on society? I have seen none of these, but I have read enough to think "How the hell could anyone watch that and not flinch and walk out of the theater?" Statistically, does this body of film so coarsen our culture that is leads to higher violent crime rates and less empathy for the victims of such crimes?











* - yes, sometimes even feminists are right.|||Everything that children see or hear in the media early on in their lives affects them in some way. Positive parenting role models indicate that in the best interest of our children we should limit their exposure to violent acts. Unfortunately, violence is one of the most popular forms of entertainment. Over sixty percent of television shows being shown in prime time contain some form of violence. There are two very opposite sides of this issue. The media who market the violent television, video games and other forms of entertainment argue this is safe entertainment and the others argue that violence promotes violence


Current research tends to agree with the proponents who argue that violent media is associated with aggressive behavior. Risky behavior by children and young adults can include violence against others, lack of remorse for consequences. The type of faulty thinking creates stressors in children which can lead to the onset of many different symptoms. Children who view media violence are more likely to have increased feelings of hostility, decreased emotional response to the portrayal of violence and injury that lead to violent behavior through imitation. An example here would be the television show Jack ***. There have been several accidents related to young men attempting stunts that are done on the show. The act of imitating what they have seen on a television show causes injury to themselves or others around them.


The Academy of Pediatrics says “More than one thousand scientific studies and reviews conclude that significant exposure to media violence increases the risk of aggressive behavior in certain children, desensitizes them to violence and makes them believe that the world is a ‘meaner and scarier’ place than it is.” If children begin to think that this type of violence is normal behavior these thoughts are often said to be difficult to change later on in life. This is similar to the studies of domestic violence where children who are exposed to violence either become offenders or victims because they believe that what they are exposed to is the norm. One instance that brought the worry of violence in media is the Columbine incident. The two young men that committed this act of violence were said to have played numerous hours of violent video games. Their exposure to violence is said to have been the cause since the children involved in Columbine came from secure home environments with active parental influence. As with Michael Carneal, from Kentucky, who in 1997 shot and killed three of his classmates. He too was also said to have been a video game fanatic. Michael Breen an attorney in the case against Michael Carneal stated in court; “Michael Carneal clipped off nine shots in a 10-second period. Eight of those shots were hits. Three were head and neck shots and were kills. That is way beyond the military standard for expert marksmanship. This was a kid who had never fired a pistol in his life, but because of his obsession with computer games he had turned himself into an expert marksman” (Ivory, 2003), (Hanson, 1999, p. 15). These two instances in a whole may be small evidence however, proves that violent media play a role in such violence.


*yes, sometimes even Rowdy is right.|||The main issue feminists (and sociologists) have against violence in media is that is desensitizes people and normalizes violence. The more violence one watches, the less likely they are to report violence to police and the more likely they are to rationalize violence used on others. This hurts everyone.



There is also some proof that it is linked to increased aggression, but more so in children than in adults. The problem is that this data is correlational. Does watching violence make you more aggressive or are more aggressive people more likely to watch violence? We'll never know without insanely unethical causation studies...|||I've seen studies in indicating that media violence does not make people more violent, it makes people think society as a whole is more violent than it really is. As in, people who watch more shows involving violence suspect their chances of being victimized by violent crime as being higher than those who watch little.



Well, here is something about media not causing violence (yes, it is just a slideshow, but it gives plenty of citation); haven't found the second part yet.

http://www.slideshare.net/Amanda_Wonnaco…



I can't find the second part, so I am leaving it un-cited. But my answer stands, I don't think violence in media has any effect on whether people will act violently.|||Rowdy, cinema violence *IS* real violence. That is why most studios have full-time security. They are very handy whenever a brawl breaks out on the set.





Tip: Never take the last doughnut from the craft services table.|||Here in Britain some thugs were influenced at the time by the film A clockwork orange, and Stanley Kubrick had the film banned because of the idiots who were copying some of the violence.|||I honestly do not know how someone could sit back and watch such violence and call it entertaining. =P|||I have volunteered in a prison where I provided healthcare to murderers, shooters, and swindlers. To talk to them is to un-believe what we think of them. What I gathered from talking to them is that a majority of them had been exposed to violence as a mode of life. The kind of things they did is something a habitual NC-17 maker won't touch. Killing someone or physically damaging someone is profound experience and cannot be washed away. They were not brought up on ultra violent movies, although they had seen those movies.





I think the difference is that, if one is inclined to violence, at present, and one watches those movies, one might act upon one's thoughts.





Although what is known can not be unknown. Emotional and intellectual maturity is, as far as I think, the most important factor that determines the effect of cinema on a person.|||Well, keep in mind that most slasher films depict next to no "sexual violence against women." For instance, there is no "Saw" or even "Hostle" that depicts women being raped or sexually assaulted/tortured...and the same is largely true of most of the "Halloween" films, the "Nightmare on Elm Street" films, the "Friday the 13th" films, etc... So, before we make the connection, we really should try and understand EXACTLY what we're talking about out there.





In the CNN Investigative Reports film "Murder by Number" Dr. Park Dietz made the observation that serial killers, who are largely seen as the most gruesome of violent sex killers, are being manufactured by the lack of a "cooling off period" between moments of intimacy and acts of violence.





However if I'm not mistaken, "Natural Born Killers" has spawned more copycat crimes than ANY horror series or "torture porn" film ever made. And of course, when people are talking about brutal films that influence sexual violence against women, they're usually more directed towards the slasher horror genre.





For my own part, I think when we believe that the films are encouraging acts of violence (sexual or otherwise), what we're really doing is putting the cart before the horse. These films...they didn't just appear out of nowhere: they are the mirror that is focused on society, for better or for worse. And while I think that some people have the propensity for acts of violence (either by way of having psychopathic tendencies that they were born with, or living within a horrible home environment), I think these films do little more than inspire the already violent on how to commit their acts of violence.





And frankly, I think the evolution of this is being realized in the circulating idea that some criminals are learning how to cover their tracks better by watching the abundant crime scene shows that are now all over TV: CSI, Law %26amp; Order, Criminal Minds, Cold Case, etc...|||No. It doesn't coarsen society as you put... Do you really think that after watching "Hostel" viewers are going to start an exclusive club in Slovakia where rich people come to live out their torture fantasies? Or that after watching "Saw" some man is going to go "wow great idea! I should do that to people!" %26lt;-- Anyone who is made unbalanced by a movie probably wasn't very sane to start out with. I've read countless feminist articles condemning Hostel as "torture porn" and how horrible the scene was where a Japanese woman was mutilated (yet they give NO mention to the men killed and tortured throughout the film, lol) but do you really think a movie is going to influence someone to suddenly blow-torch some woman's face? It's flawed logic... People are not that impressionable. Feminists think this way because they believe any man is capable of extreme violence at any time, and we need to 'censor' what they watch and learn, or else they turn into horrible creatures! No basis in reality whatsoever. I served in the military right out of high school and I served with people who no matter how much training just couldn't stomach the violence. "Grand Theft Auto" does not prepare you for real violence, and neither does "hostel"... I partly believe we are either predisposed to be violent or we are not. And if people are to be desensitized it's something they have to see and experience in their lives. Movies don't prepare you for a killing a man or watching him die.|||the guys version...



dudes, for fukcs sake man



nothing left for you guys



oops , im cool and onto it



edit - it takes a hell of a lot of undignified talent to be this unpopular, cheers for the confirmation and good luck with that

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